Anne Roderique-Jones’ podcast explores an unsolved mystery from her childhood in the Ozarks

On June 7, 1992 Stacy McCall, Suzie Streeter and Sherrill Levitt went to bed in a small town in the Ozarks. By the next morning, they had vanished without a trace. 30 years later, the mystery remains unsolved.

Anne Roderique-Jones is the creator and host of “The Springfield Three,” a popular podcast examining the case of the disappearance of those three women and how it affected the community as a whole. Anne grew up in Springfield, Missouri, and was just 12 years old when these disappearances rocked her small town. This week on the Reckon Interview, she discusses what led her to revisit the story, the perils of getting too invested in solving a case, what she learned in the process, areas where the case went wrong, why we are all so obsessed with stories like these.

Below is a transcript of the episode, edited for length and clarity.

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Reckon: Anne Roderique-Jones, welcome to the Reckon Interview.

Anne Roderique-Jones: Thank you so much for having me, John.

Reckon: You are the creator and host of The Springfield Three podcast, which tells the story of a 1992 abduction of Stacy McCall, Suzie Streeter, and Sherill Levitt, who went missing from your hometown of Springfield, Missouri. You grew up there.

How old were you when the abductions happened?

Roderique-Jones: I was 12 years old when the three women disappeared. So it was definitely that time of my life, where, when something like that happened, especially because two of the women were 18 years old, it’s certainly made a huge impact on my life and really everyone’s life in the community at that time.

Reckon: What do you remember about Springfield at that time?

Roderique-Jones: Well, you know, we call this a small town disappearance because at the time Springfield was much smaller then. You know, we didn’t have chain restaurants like they do now. Everything felt very mom and pop. Pretty much any time you would go anywhere in that town, you would run into someone you knew.

You know, you kind of did things you imagined doing in a small town. You would go to the mall for entertainment when you were 12 years old. Or you might go to the public swimming pool. And so I remember it being a really tight knit community at that time versus now. It’s certainly grown a lot. You know, Springfield now has cocktail bars and high-end restaurants and loads of chains.

They have a Target. They’re getting a Costco. It’s just become such a different place. But when I was younger, it really did feel like a tight knit committee.

Reckon: And in the early nineties, you write about some of the things that we take for granted now, these women didn’t have cell phones. Some of the clues that might lead to somebody being found now didn’t necessarily exist 30 years ago.

Roderique-Jones: Exactly. Yeah. I mean, really everything from DNA to cell phone tracing. Now, you know, when you hear about a disappearance, you can usually trace the cell phone pretty quickly to know where that person was. Exactly what they were doing at the time. And this certainly didn’t exist in 1992. This was a time when all of my friends at that time were kind of in the same neighborhood because we all went to the same school. So, you know, we were all in the same neighborhood. And when you wanted to go and play with someone, you just walked up to the person’s door. You knocked on the door and you said like, “can Beth come out to play?”

There wasn’t any texting. We didn’t have AOL chat or anything like that. So, it was a much more… what seemed like an innocent time, but it was also really difficult in terms of a disappearance and trying to track someone down.

Reckon: And as you get into later in the podcast, this is also a time where things like the satanic panic were going on and there were several serial killers kind of at large and that was part of the landscape in the United States at the time.

Roderique-Jones: Yeah, it was. That’s exactly right. And there were certainly some speculations. There were loads of speculations in this case, but one of them definitely pointed to the fact that someone brought up the fact that they thought that one of the young women were devil worshiping. And these things that you really only hear about back then, it’s not something people talk about that much, but then it was a big deal. And, you know, kidnapping was a really big deal. There was the milk cartons. And like, I know growing up that was a big thing was not talking to strangers. And kidnapping was probably the worst fear of any parent or child at that time.

So, yeah, it was a different time in terms of even crimes, I suppose, or presumably what people thought could lead to a crime, like devil worshipping.

Reckon: Ever since Missouri joined the SEC, there’s been some debate about whether Missouri could be considered a Southern state. But the Ozarks, they feel like they certainly have a Southern mystique to them, right? And Springfield is there in the Ozarks?

Roderique-Jones: Yeah, it is. I think that you could probably have people saying that both Missouri is a Midwestern state, certainly, but that the Mason-Dixon line goes through Missouri. And that the Ozarks, which is this huge swath of land that also has a smidgen of other states in it, but primarily Northern Arkansas, Southern Missouri has this very Southern feeling.

Growing up, we would drive to Kansas City or St. Louis. And to me, it was like going to what I thought in New York City was. You know, there were tall buildings. People had totally different accents. There were fancy shopping, big restaurants, all those things. And so I would say in terms of what people do for entertainment, the way people speak, certainly the way people cook is definitely a little bit more Southern leaning.

I’m not going to get into the SEC thing, I don’t want to touch that. That’s probably way more sensitive than anything else.

Reckon: Well, walk us through the night that they disappeared. That was graduation night, I believe. And there was some talk that they were going to be doing kind of the Ozark rite of passage of going to waterparks in Branson and things like that.

Roderique-Jones: So two of the girls, and there were three women, Stacy, Suzie and Sherrill. Um, as you had mentioned Stacy and Suzie, it was their graduation night.

They graduated from Kickapoo high school. That was the same high school that my own mother went to, and so they had plans to go to some parties that night. Your typical graduation night in Springfield would be, either to go to project graduation, which would be to stay the night in kind of, you know, the school gym or whatever so you’re monitored. Or to go out to parties.

And most people liked to go out to the parties. You would go to like a bonfire or something like that. And so they planned to go out to some parties. They celebrated with their families. And then the next morning they were going to go to Whitewater, which is this waterpark in Branson. At the time, it was probably an hour drive.

And, you know, it was just your typical run of the mill of waterpark, but it was certainly a splurge for my family to go somewhere like that. It would definitely be something you would do after graduating as kind of a celebration. And to go with your friends, a bunch of 18-year-olds, is probably such a fun thing to be doing at that time.

So that was their plan. And obviously that didn’t happen. They ended up going to parties until what people think is about two in the morning, approximately. So they kind of party-hopped, the two girls party-hopped together. And then, they were going to stay the night at a friend’s house. And plans changed a couple of times like they often do when you’re 18 and you might be going to parties. And so at the last minute, their friend’s house was full. They had people over for graduation and families there. And so Stacy and Suzie went to Suzie’s house where she lived with her mother, Sherrill. They think they got there about 2:00 AM and the next morning all three women were missing.

Reckon: And if I remember correctly, they had left their cigarettes, they had left their clothes. They had left their purses. The cars were in the driveway. There was no indication that they had voluntarily gone anywhere.

Roderique-Jones: Exactly. There was no indication. All three purses were lined up right next to each other. The young girls’ clothing was folded. Jewelry was put into the pockets. It looked as if makeup had been taken off so that they had went to bed.

The mother was last heard from at about 11:00 PM that evening. She was talking to a friend on the phone while painting a chest of drawers. So it looked as if the women had gone to bed. The mother was a hairdresser. There was $900 in her purse and that was there. So, you know, you would think maybe if someone was coming in, they might think about taking the money.

The mother was also a chain smoker. Never went anywhere without her cigarettes. And we hear on a bonus episode that will be coming out soon that, you know, her son tells me that she just never went anywhere without her cigarettes. And we know that of a smoker. And so her cigarettes and lighter were there.

All three cars were in the driveway. But there was just no indication. You know, I spoke with one of the investigators and he said, like everyone kept saying, it looked like they just vanished into thin air, which is just really a big part of the mystery that surrounds this. Is that how could three women go to bed and in the morning, they’ve just completely vanished from the destination.

Reckon: And there wasn’t much sign of struggle. There was a broken light on the porch, but other than that, no indication that they had fought or anything. Right?

Roderique-Jones: Right. Like you said, there was a broken porch light, that the globe was broken.

And so, you know, that could have possibly been from a sign of struggle. Certainly. It also could have just been a broken porch light. So it really was the only indicator that there could have possibly been a sign of struggle.

Reckon: They were discovered missing the next morning when some friends came over. And those friends did kind of the neighborly thing and cleaned up the broken glass, which might’ve been a clue or evidence or something like that.

And then there was also an issue with, with some answering machine messages, I believe.

Roderique-Jones: So I think the total was like nearly 18 people had come in and out of the house before the police were able to get there. So you can imagine that is people touching everything, answering the phone, washing dishes, cleaning up, you know, using the bathroom, touching the door knob.

And one of the people who came initially saw the, one of the guys who came, saw the glass on the ground. And you know, probably what anyone would have done, is that if you went to a friend’s home and there was glass on the porch, you might sweep it up. So they swept it up. They put it in a garbage can. So if that was an important piece of evidence, it wasn’t able to be used. And you know, at this time, again, it’s like, this is a place where there wasn’t a lot of crime happening. We never locked our doors at night. I would go out and play from sun up until sundown and never even go home to tell my mom. It was just, everyone felt really safe there. And growing up, it felt like a safe place.

So you would never imagine if you went to a friend’s house and they weren’t there that they were kidnapped. You know, you would just think that they may be off somewhere. You have no way to call them. So there were some messages. You know, people were at the house for quite some time and there were some messages that were left on the answering machine that, you know, there’s not a lot of detail about them, but people kept saying they were lewd messages. And one of them was accidentally deleted.

So, you know, there were some really unfortunate things. Everyone was very well-meaning in the beginning, I believe, but there were some unfortunate things that happened because no one imagined that this could be a disappearance

Reckon: And you talk about there’s so few clues to what happened, which already puts the local investigators at a disadvantage, but you kind of outlined that there’s this tension that grows between the local police as well as both local and national media, about which types of leads should be pursued when investigating this case.

Roderique-Jones: I think that was something that kind of surprised me going into this was really, there were some people that were at odds within local law enforcement. So you had this staff that had been there for quite some time. They were established. They were good at their jobs. They knew how to work a case.

So when a tip came in and they knew what to do, they had a certain protocol. And then they had a new police chief come in before this had happened and he kind of had this different way. He was former FBI. He wasn’t from the Ozarks. And so I think there was a little bit of personality clash.

You know, you might hear people say in interviews that he micromanaged the case. And tips were chased differently and leads were chased differently than they would have been if he weren’t the police chief at the time. And then “48 Hours” came in. I think they were actually in Branson for like a musical show. Someone tipped them off about this disappearance. They were granted a lot of access to this case. And I think that that was something that some people in law enforcement, even some of the local journalists, really felt may have impeded the investigation initially.

And, you know, those early hours are so important. So when you’re getting these leads and you’re chasing these tips and they aren’t going anywhere, it starts to become a little bit frantic at that time.

Reckon: Well, and it’s interesting, this case that you were investigating has been popular among true crime aficionados for a while.

You talk about there’s blogs dedicated to leads and theories and things like that about what went wrong. As you were publishing this, what types of messages were you getting from the audience? Like how were you able to decide what was worth investigating and what needed to be left out?

Roderique-Jones: Um, well, there was a lot that probably needed to be left out and was left out because once you would start fact checking it, like that’s what we do for a living. We fact check things. So when you get someone on Facebook saying, “well, you know, I think this happened” and it’s like, well, that actually couldn’t have happened.

Like it doesn’t add up. It doesn’t check out. So there were things like that that got dismissed pretty quickly. You know, there might be someone who would say that it was an alien abduction and not that I’m like the end be all on whether alien abductions are happening, but it would be something that I probably wouldn’t spend too much time on. Because there’s also, again, no way to fact check that.

So it was really about trying to fact check leads that seemed plausible. And you know, sometimes they were. There was a part in the podcast where this kid was in the woods and he saw something really, or, you know, he said he saw something really horrific. He wrote about it in a blog post. And so it almost felt scary when listening to it.

It was really almost gruesome. We tried to be really sensitive about it, of course, but I went back and there were newspaper articles that had dates of him dying from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. So it was just a matter of making sure, like, did this guy really kill himself? Could this have happened?

You know, we certainly wouldn’t say it happened, but just trying to match dates to facts. And it’s a lot, you know, there are so many things that you can go down these wormholes for hours and just be like, this has actually happened. And, you know, again, I always say that I’m not an investigator, I’m not out to solve this case.

I just want to be able to let people tell their stories. So that’s really what was most important to me, certainly not to try to be the one to solve it. I’m not an investigator. I don’t know how. I’m just someone who does reporting.

Reckon: That post you were talking about, he described, he had been camping and he basically heard and saw three women being brutally raped and, or murdered by was it one man or two men,? And then loaded back up in the truck and taken away.

Roderique-Jones: Yes, exactly. I think he was visiting from out of town and I believe it was Dallas area. And visiting a friend who lived in the area, not far from this area that we always called the Girl Scout Camp growing up.

And I used to go there with my friends. It was really spooky. That’s why we we went there, just to like scare ourselves, which is so dumb. I would never do that now, but when you’re a kid, there’s nothing else to do. So we’d go out to this place that we called the Girl Scout Camp. And it wasn’t actually a Girl Scout Camp.

It was a hunting lodge, but it had old buildings that were just kind of ruins of buildings. Like a fireplace. It had an empty swimming pool that would have like satanic markings on it, because again, early nineties. And it was just a creepy place. So they had went out there probably to scare themselves as well.

And, um, presumably they heard and saw what they later realized may have been those women. So that’s something that you would find maybe when looking through some of these blog posts and websites and message boards and Facebook groups that are dedicated to this particular case, which is, you know, really of interest, I think a lot of it is because it was three beautiful women. You know, three people, it’s really difficult to make one person disappear, but to make three people disappear and not have any idea as to where they want, it’s very difficult. It fascinates a lot of people.

Reckon: You mentioned that you didn’t set out to solve this case.

I am curious, you know, you are a successful travel and magazine writer and you took on this project as an independent podcaster or along with the wonderful team at Edit Audio who listeners will know also works on the show. So why was it so important to you to tell this story that you were willing to kind of take on that self publication aspect of it?

What was it about it that drew you to it?

Roderique-Jones: I initially thought this would make an interesting book because it’s an interesting story and it hadn’t been covered very much. Obviously a lot of local coverage, but especially over the past… it’s 29 years old. There wasn’t a lot of national coverage on it.

And as a journalist, you really are interested in stuff that maybe hasn’t been covered yet. And this was from my hometown. So it was even more interesting to me, but as I started listening to podcasts and, especially true crime podcasts, I realized that this would make a better story in the form of a podcast.

And then it would allow these people from my town, you know, the mother of the the girl, Stacy, who has disappeared, it would allow her to tell her story and to share it. And it would allow law enforcement to tell their story and local journalists. So, you know, I think a lot of it was about being from the Ozarks.

It’s such an interesting place. And now there’s been a little bit more interest in the Ozarks because of, you know, TV shows. I knew that being able to weave in that personal narrative would be able to show people what this part of the U.S. is. Which is a little bit interesting. People really don’t go to that area unless they’re going to like Branson or something.

Reckon: Coming up after the break Anne Roderique-Jones and I discuss what it’s like to grow up in towns with high profile, missing persons cases, and why we’re all so drawn to true crime stories.

Reckon: So you grew up there in Springfield, but you had moved away. Uh, you now split time, mostly between New York and New Orleans. I’m curious what the experience was like interviewing the people from your hometown. Did they view you as an outsider? Did they view you as somebody who grew up there?

How did you get them to open up to you? This is a story that has been featured in national media before, you know, was there any reluctance for people to go down that path again?

Roderique-Jones: Yes. There was some reluctance from people, mostly the family, which is so understandable. They had had their story told in ways that maybe it wasn’t as told us accurately as they would have hoped. When I was going in, I think that that was something that people were… it was hard to get those interviews initially. You know, another reason people were hesitant was because they didn’t know what a podcast was. You know, some of these people were in their seventies and eighties, and it’s just not a medium for listening to media as it you know, it’s not as popular.

So some of them didn’t know what a podcast was, but it was mostly just the reluctance because of some of the national media attention that they had received. And so for me, it was just really about building that trust with people involved. It really did help that I was from there. My cell phone still has the area code from Springfield area.

And a lot of my family or friends knew someone who was involved in this because, again, you know, all of these people grew up in the Ozarks. So the degree of separation is pretty small. We were able to gain access to the house. It’s still standing. It’s still looks almost exactly the same, that the women were presumably taken from.

And so that was because of one of my friends growing up in high school, we actually went to preschool together. He had a friend that lived there at the time. So I think that that certainly helped. I knew when they would talk about something like the Girl Scout Camp, you know, I have been there. My family owned a Christian bookstore on the north side of town and it had my last name, it was Roderique’s bookstore. So I think that really helped build trust, knowing that I knew what happened at the time and I remembered it. And that I wanted to tell the story as accurately as possible.

Reckon: The man who bought that house, you described that he sometimes will get people who drive by kind of staring at the house. Have you heard if that’s picked up more since the podcast got published?

Roderique-Jones: That’s a good question, John. I haven’t heard if that’s happened more. I hope not for his sake. I mean, but I think that you could ask anyone who lives in that town… maybe not someone super, super young. But they would know exactly where that house was because it was something that you did. You drove by there. It was just so sad and fascinating that something like that happened and that house was featured prominently in local news photos of it. So, you know, I think pretty much everyone there. I know for a while, I believe it was for sale when I was growing up and just everyone talking about the fact that house was for sale. So it was such a big part of it because, again, that’s where the women presumably went to sleep and then whenever morning came, they had vanished.

Reckon: What other response did you get from the community once the podcast itself went live?

Roderique-Jones: So we initially set out to do eight episodes and that would be our season. And we ended with the impact that it had had on the community for years. And since the podcast had aired, there were some interviews that we couldn’t get that I really wanted to get.

One of them being the son of the woman, Sherrill, and the brother of Suzie. His name’s Bart Streeter. And he’s, you know, he’s really known to be apprehensive of media. And I think it’s for good reason. He was a suspect initially in the case. And so I really wanted to talk with him. I tried really hard to get an interview.

And then after the podcast aired, he reached out to me after the fourth episode and just said, you know, “I’m listening to this. I appreciate the way you’re depicting my mother and sister.” And so of course I asked for an interview, you know, telling him we would probably do a bonus episode. And he said he wanted to listen to all of it.

And then I think he felt that I honored his mother and sister’s, I guess, legacy really. But really honored them and tried to tell their story as accurately as possible. And so in one of the bonus episodes we’re dedicated to interviewing him and letting him tell his side of the story, which, you know, this is something that I’ve just been thinking about for the past two years and researching, but this has really followed him his entire life.

Reckon: You grew up in the community. You’ve heard stories about this your whole life. You recognize the places. Were there any ideas or certainties that you had about the story going into the process that, you know, turned out to be wrong. Was there anything that you learned that surprised you?

Roderique-Jones: Growing up, there were these really popular theories that everyone talked about.And when you mentioned this case, we always called it ” three missing women.” But when you mentioned this case, people would say, oh, I’ve heard they’re buried under a parking lot. And there were two parking lots that people spoke about. One was a Western wear store. Um, and one was the Southside Cox Hospital.

And so people always said that. It was pretty much that or alien abduction. And so going into that, I wanted to know if that was even a possibility. And I think, not that we can rule anything out, but after doing research and speaking with people, experts, law enforcement. Those things just didn’t seem as plausible. But they were really the forefront, I would say, of speculation as to where the women could have been.

So that was surprising that it was just, to me, almost like I didn’t want to spend a lot of time on that. I wasn’t discounting it. And if something came up that could pinpoint that, great. But I think it was just one of those theories that was interesting. And people thought, oh, “the hospital was built around that time. They could be in the parking lot.” They had a psychic come in at one point and found some abnormalities in the ground. But, to me, there were other things that I probably spent a little bit more time on researching other than that. But I kind of thought I would be spending a lot of time on parking lot theories. But I didn’t.

Reckon: You know, I was surprised while listening to it, you get to an episode where you discuss basically the serial killer theory. And as the episode started, I was like, “well, what are the odds that a serial killer would just happen to be coming through and know that these women are there.” But you break down, I think it’s three separate serial killers who may have been involved: Larry DeWayne Hall, Gerald Carnahan and Robert Craig Cox. And Robert Craig Cox in particular has basically claimed he knows what happened to the women, but he won’t tell anybody until his mother dies. Doyou think that there is some grounds to that? Or is that just the bluster of a sociopath? What’s your thought on Robert Craig Cox?

Roderique-Jones: I mean, I think it could be either one. He’s obviously capable, and if you look at things that he has been in trouble for, you can kind of pinpoint like, oh, it might be this type of person, which is a young woman that’s attractive. And so, you know, you can see that parallel.

He certainly was attention seeking in that statement, whether it’s truthful or not. His mother is still alive. And in the bonus episodes we speak to… so Robert Craig Cox at the time, said that his alibi was that he was at church with his girlfriend. He lived with a woman and she said that they were at church.

Well, she ended up recanting that statement. So in the bonus episode, I speak with her daughter and she lived with Robert Craig Cox at the time of the disappearance. She really goes into his personality, what he was like, they called him Bob. I had never heard this before. So she kept calling him Bob and would tell me these stories about him that were just pretty fascinating. And then I also had a woman reach out on Instagram and said that she got a ride from someone when she was 14 and some things happened. She ended up seeing later on a true crime show a picture of Robert Craig Cox. And so she tells that story in our bonus episode too. So when you kind of start hearing things like that, you realize that it’s certainly a possibility, but there’s just no way to know that. We really do hope to be able to speak to him and go into the prison. And I hope to interview him, but every plan, as you know, has been derailed because of COVID. And so they weren’t allowing anyone to go in. And if that happens in the future, whether he agrees to that or not, I’m not sure that will happen.

Reckon: Is it hard to remove yourself from wanting to have certainty and a theory about what happened and to just chase each piece of evidence and just each piece of string?

Roderique-Jones: I guess from a perspective of the families, I wish that I knew, or I had something that I was really like super passionate about. Because for the families, I obviously want this to be solved. But from a perspective of a journalist, it’s really just more about gathering as much information as I can. And telling those stories that are important. So from that, I think it’s easier to remove yourself. You know, for a long time I had all these like poster boards and post-its all over my apartment that had like theories that people had, and suspects. And, even though I was really involved in thinking about this case, it was really just from a storytelling perspective.

Reckon: Did you have any moments where you were finding yourself just emotionally caught up in this case?

Roderique-Jones: Yeah, I really was. And I know that that’s possible. You know, I also have a full-time job, so that’s something that I definitely am occupied with that. And I freelance. And so I definitely have a life outside of this, but, no, I think it’s also, like, my husband’s a nurse and he kind of leaves that at work and doesn’t bring it home.

Or I have a friend who’s a counselor that she really just doesn’t bring her work home and it’s part of her job. So for me, I didn’t get too, I guess, emotionally attached to this.

Reckon: Do you have any sense of why so many people are so drawn to true crime stories, whether it’s podcasts or movies or books or TV shows?

Roderique-Jones: I mean, that’s a great question. And it probably goes back to us talking about like, why did I go into those woods as a kid? Like, why do people watch “The Ring” or whatever, scary movie’s out now cause I can’t watch them anymore. But it’s fascinating. Like people like to be scared for some strange reason. But true crime, the difference with that is that it’s actually true.

And so I think, for me, listening to something like Serial, It was about, like, people love to talk about who did it, and they love to try to solve the crime or the disappearance. I think that something that’s come of this as I’ve had so many different people say who they thought it was. And everyone wants to know who I think it is and what happened?

And so I think that there’s some kind of intrigue about being that amateur detective and listening to a podcast is such a lovely way to hear a story anyway. It’s like the radio when you were younger. But being able to be involved in that and have debates with your friends as to whether you think someone did it or didn’t, is something that is a little bit more new because of podcasts and fascinating to people, I guess. That’s do you have any idea as to why?

Reckon: Oh, I mean, I think that that’s a lot of it. I think it’s also, people want kind of the closure. They want to know that something terrible out there has happened and that they can figure out why it happened.

And sometimes, sometimes we don’t know why it happened. And maybe like you said, people like to be scared. And I think maybe sometimes people like to be reminded that there isn’t necessarily certainty in everything. I mean, particularly with the case of Serial that, you know, it’s about undoing the certainty of the crime and of who perpetrated it.

So how would you define the South? Where does the South start for you? What parts of the country are the South?

Roderique-Jones: I don’t know if I like have a definitive answer for that. To me, the South is… I’m sure there’s some lines and I think people define them differently at different times. I don’t know if that’s correct, but I think just like being in new York and New Orleans, being Southern is just such a way of life more, to me, than a definitive line. Growing up, or maybe even if you don’t grow up, you eat certain foods, you behave a certain way, are interested in things that people might not be as interested in in other places or vice versa.

And there’s a very distinct difference between Southerners and Northerners, to me living in both parts of the country. And so, to me, that’s just a little bit like I know what my life is going to be like when I’m in New Orleans and it’s a very different life than I would have in New York. And a lot of that is because of Southerners. You know, it’s not as much about the house that I live in, even though it’s an old New Orleans house, it’s really about the people that make it that way. You know, the neighbors that you have and the personalities of Southerners. So I think for me, that’s probably like a better way to think about the difference between where the South really starts.

Reckon: Obviously Hurricane Ida hit both New Orleans and New York. Were you okay in both places? Are your homes in each city okay?

Roderique-Jones: Yeah. Uh, we have some damage to our home in New Orleans. You know, our fence blew away, but it was a really old fence anyway, it was bound to happen. And we’ve had some roof damage, but definitely, you know, compared to some of the other people there, we were really lucky. I think the damage we had was pretty comparable to most people there. So this is such a Southern thing, but we have these amazing neighbors and our entire block is really close with each other. And, you know, we had people in our house helping us out.

We had people tying up our furniture and, there’s such a sense of community there. That’s just really part of the fabric of the South that, in times like that where it’s really difficult, you see people pull together in ways that are just really, really incredible. You know, cooking food, giving out free food. It’s just, it’s really incredible how much people help each other there, which I think is such a way of life in the South. So we really fared well mostly because of our neighbors in that situation.

Reckon: I know you’re still reporting out bonus episodes for this series, but do you have another story you want to tell? Are you hooked on podcasting at this point?

Roderique-Jones: Yeah, I do have another story I want to tell. I think it’s a good one. We’ll see. It’s interesting. It’s also set in the Ozarks. So yeah, I hope that I can tell it. I think it’s a pretty interesting story. So once these bonus episodes are out, there will probably be time to concentrate on writing something new.

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